I don’t completely agree, but I somewhat do.
More and more, it feels like consumers are becoming supportive of AR (augmented reality) live performances.
In the past, if someone used AR, people would criticize them like, “Are they lip-syncing? They’re not even qualified to be a singer.” But now, that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
Of course, there were plenty of idols in the past who weren’t good either, but back then, they were usually just quietly shelved (pushed out of the spotlight), so people didn’t really feel it as much.
Anyway, since public opinion among consumers is moving in this direction, I think it’s definitely having an effect on the industry too.
The comments :
- No, even in the past, the ones who weren’t good still weren’t good. It’s just nostalgia.
- Reply to 1-> Yeah, probably, but the public didn’t react this way back then. That’s my point! So I only partially agree.
- I actually thought there were more all-rounders now.
- No, there were plenty of people who couldn’t do it in the past too. They just disappeared quietly, so we don’t remember them.
- It’s all nostalgia. Back in the 2nd generation, even in a 4-member group, 2 couldn’t sing and just rapped. In one group I liked, 3 members could barely do anything. Now it’s more balanced—choreos are harder, melodies more complex, and the difficulty of songs is way higher.
- No, it’s just nostalgia. There are many skilled idols nowadays.
- It’s actually become more balanced. The bad ones in the past were really bad. Only the skilled ones survived and are remembered, so it feels like everyone was good back then.
- Skilled idols have always existed, and only they get remembered. There were many untalented ones in the past. But I do think there were fewer tricks to hide lack of skill back then.
- Tired of all the nostalgia.
- Just glorifying the past, really.
- Yeah, I think members who were considered bad back then are probably about as good as average members now. Just look at “Killing Voice” performances—most 2nd gen idols could hold their own, but now you don’t even need to sing live, so as long as you can dance well, you’re picked.
- Don’t really know. But I feel like the reason people say that is because even top idols today get criticized for lack of skill.
- Feels pretty similar to me. Every generation had famously tone-deaf idols. But the lack of improvement in skill is also a problem.
- Totally disagree—there are so many skilled idols, but they just don’t get popular. Back in the 1st gen, those with skill stood out more because they were all over variety shows and well-known to the public. Now there are more talented idols, they’re just not visible or successful.
- Feels about the same... the skilled ones are good, the unskilled ones still aren’t.
- There was more sensitivity toward live performances back then, so it felt like they were better.
- Reply to 16-> Yeah, I think similarly. Since live performances were more common, most top idols were good at it. That’s why the 1st and 2nd gen idols I remember are usually skilled. Of course, there were bad ones too, but they didn’t succeed as easily. That’s what I think has changed now.
- Choreography has become insanely more advanced, but vocals have definitely declined.
- I’ve been into K-pop since the 1st generation, and yeah… it’s probably nostalgia.
- Back then, the main vocals were on another level. But nowadays, among 5th gen boy groups, there are maybe two teams where the main vocal actually feels skilled. I read somewhere that some teams don’t even have a main vocal anymore. I feel like the influence of a good main vocal is huge. If their level drops, of course the overall impression suffers (just my personal opinion).
- Considering how hard the choreos are now, it’s probably about the same overall.
- I think they used to perform live a lot more.
- Back then, if you couldn’t sing, you just didn’t get parts. Only the good ones sang.
- Reply to 23-> Yeah, which made it easier to hide the lack of skill in some members.
- Nowadays, instead of assigning clear positions, there are just more all-rounders.
- Unchanging, lol. Back in Fin.K.L and S.E.S., aside from Ock Joo-hyun and Bada, who was really good? It’s the same from 1st gen to now. Average skill might even be better now. Honestly, go watch old idols’ choreos—they were just simple moves, lol.
- Reply to 26-> What matters is whether today’s main vocals are on par with Bada and Ock Joo-hyun.
- Reply to 27-> They don’t need to be that good, just good enough to be called singers. Bada and Ock Joo-hyun were top-tier even in their time, and hard to match even in 2nd or 3rd gen.
- Reply to 28-> That’s not what I meant. I meant that main vocals used to be that good.
- I was a fan during 2nd and 3rd gen, and yeah, it’s nostalgia. But it does feel like there are fewer members now who clearly specialize in one thing—like those with the "undeniable main vocal" title.
- Vocal skills have gone down, dance skills have gone up.
- Just glorifying the past...
- Back then, the top-tier main vocal got all the parts and sang live, so they stood out more. Now there are fewer of those kinds of members and fewer live stages, so…
- Reply to 33-> I went to both a 2nd gen and a 4th gen idol concert last year, and both were known for their skills. But I definitely felt that the 4th gen vocals were weaker… and there was more AR playback. Though it could vary by group.
- The ones who sang well used to sing at a level 10; now, even the best ones are at 7 or 8. Instead, they either dance well or look pretty.
- Dance—better. Singing—worse.
- Reply to 36-> Exactly.
- It’s always been nostalgia. Even back then, there were people who couldn’t sing and got criticized. It’s just that now things are more balanced and average skill might even be higher. But those “undeniably main vocal” types seem rarer now.
- I agree that the main vocals aren’t on another level anymore. Back in the day, a main vocal could compete with solo singers. Now, it feels like a lot of main vocals are just people with decent tone who aren’t tone-deaf.
- Back then, even if the main vocal did a live performance, others would jump in live too, like a group effort. Now, unless you're the main vocal, you're probably a visual, dancer, or rapper—so the main vocal ends up lip-syncing, which feels unfair. And watching music shows now, everyone’s just mouthing along. There’s no spice to it. Live performances used to have a distinct energy. And if you couldn’t sing, you didn’t even get five seconds of lines. But now it’s like slicing a pizza—everyone gets equal parts, even if the skill level isn’t equal.
- Reply to 40-> Oh, and you can’t compare with the 2nd gen idols still active now. If we’re comparing generations, we need to look at the whole group back then. The ones still active now are the top-tier ones, which is why they’re still around.
- The average is either similar or slightly lower, but the top level has really declined. But dance has improved.
- It’s just a balanced average now. But no one stands out as exceptionally skilled.
- Reply to 43-> Back then, there weren’t many average members. The skilled ones were super good, and the bad ones got like one or two lines. Now, every member is mid-to-high skill level—nothing too extreme, but also no one super outstanding.
- There are way more skilled people now, I think. But the overuse of live AR is kind of a turn-off. So regardless of actual skill, it doesn’t feel as impressive.
- Isn’t this just nostalgia? Back then, if you weren’t the main vocal, you were usually terrible... but they still got parts…
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